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News Credits: 3 · by **Darth Trader** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:35 am

capellamusic wrote:
Galvatron Supreme wrote:I just picked up a loose g1 Wheeljack this morning. He clearly doesn't look to be a KO. He is identical to the one that I have in my personal collection with one exception:

The stamp says only : "Takara, Japan"

Whereas MINE says "hasbro, 1980-1982; Takara 1980-1982 japan"

Is it possibile that he's just a pre-hasbro version?

I think so, but I can be more certain tomorrow or after tomorrow as I'm going to receive a KO Wheeljack and I'll check it and then post here (with a photo if possible).

Thanks man! I'll post up pics of mine as soon as my camera arrives back from vacation with my GF, lol.

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:19 am

Galvatron Supreme wrote:Thanks man! I'll post up pics of mine as soon as my camera arrives back from vacation with my GF, lol.

Actually I won't need to take a photo as you can check one right in here: http://www.kotransformers.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=2&MMN_position=4:3

It's exactly as it is on mine received today.

News Credits: 3 · by **Darth Trader** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:54 am

capellamusic wrote:
Galvatron Supreme wrote:Thanks man! I'll post up pics of mine as soon as my camera arrives back from vacation with my GF, lol.

Actually I won't need to take a photo as you can check one right in here: http://www.kotransformers.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=2&MMN_position=4:3

It's exactly as it is on mine received today.

Mine is definately an original G1. I've just not ever seen one stamped only "Takara, Japan" before. Thanks again

GS

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:33 am

Galvatron Supreme wrote:Mine is definately an original G1. I've just not ever seen one stamped only "Takara, Japan" before. Thanks again

GS

You're welcome, I'm glad it is an original

.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:29 am

that link you guys posted was awesome. Haven't seen WJ in a long time. Didn't know he had that many stickers. But that was a KO, did the original have painted on stripes and ads??

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:25 am

vectorA3 wrote:that link you guys posted was awesome. Haven't seen WJ in a long time. Didn't know he had that many stickers. But that was a KO, did the original have painted on stripes and ads??

I'm not sure but I think it is like the original, everything is stickers as far as I know, but some are factory stickers.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:22 pm

may be the wrong place to say this, but wouldn't it be cool if they made a Cybertronian/protoform WJ and BB?? With cargo door for BB and energon (iirc that's what it was, if I'm wrong i'm an idiot, i should know my G1) rods. A convention exclusive --but U.S. please -sorry cappella :lol:

by **dabattousai** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:31 am

I know there is a KO Swoop and I was wondering if anyone can tell me how I can identify the real from the fake. Did the KO come with tech spec decoder and Toy Catalog, etc?

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:40 am

dabattousai wrote:I know there is a KO Swoop and I was wondering if anyone can tell me how I can identify the real from the fake. Did the KO come with tech spec decoder and Toy Catalog, etc?

The high quality KOs sometimes have a tech spec decoder, but I think they never have catalogs with them.

Check these:

http://www.kotransformers.com/

http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17

by **dabattousai** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:54 am

Ah that second link was most helpful. Thank you for that information!

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:12 pm

dabattousai wrote:Ah that second link was most helpful. Thank you for that information!

you're welcome.

by **Technically weird** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:56 am

Doufaceb tells you they're knock-offs if you e-mail him before bids.

by **neliz** » Wed May 27, 2009 3:54 pm

Oh Lord, this is diabolical, Disney Label Mousimus is KO'd

My wife found this bugger online in Taiwan:

Did you just copy POOP?

Edit: My bad, I read this as KO thread and not G1 KO

want me to move it somewhere else?

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:08 am

funny sig!!! Megs is nearly bigger than the boy! Disney Prime? yuck... looks better in truck mode if anything.

by **neliz** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:33 am

vectorA3 wrote:funny sig!!! Megs is nearly bigger than the boy! Disney Prime? yuck... looks better in truck mode if anything.

it was my idea to show how idiotic an import ban on megs is (unmodified)

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:03 am

this is potentially a stupid question, but those who went to Botcon, did the strong presence of Hasbro serve to thwart the sales of KOs?? I'm not an expert at spotting them, but I did see some mint boxed G1 dinobots that were about 30-50 bucks, didn't look like re-issue or encore, looked too nice to be real. Just curious

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:34 am

Can someone tell me how much did Shockwave cost back in the day? I'd like to compare the price to the new quality KO reissue, which is being sold by about $95 USD with shipping costs.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:10 am

i think it was $30-40 at least. Maybe more. I wanted him so bad back in the day, i drooled everytime i saw the box.

Will anyone answer my question about KOs at botcon?>?

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:45 am

vectorA3 wrote:i think it was $30-40 at least. Maybe more. I wanted him so bad back in the day, i drooled everytime i saw the box.

Will anyone answer my question about KOs at botcon?>?

Thanks for your answer. Then the KO, although good, is highly overpriced... I wonder if they're that expensive from factory (and if so, I wonder if the production cost is that high) or if it's simply the sellers who charge huge amounts for them because they know we're gonna buy the figures.

I would answer the botcon question, if I knew the answer

. I'm too far away (Portugal) to be at a Botcon someday...

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:01 am

i hate to be devil's advocate (b/c i want the price to be low), but u must know that the price I mentioned was 25 yrs. ago. Should be adjusted for inflation. And that $90 tag u saw is probably technically what it should be

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:53 am

vectorA3 wrote:i hate to be devil's advocate (b/c i want the price to be low), but u must know that the price I mentioned was 25 yrs. ago. Should be adjusted for inflation. And that $90 tag u saw is probably technically what it should be

Do you think that if that figure was now released officialy it would cost that much? Hmm, I don't think so because there were recent bigger reissues (Encore Metroplex, Sky Lynx and Omega Supreme), and their release retail prices are $72, $82 and $102 respectively. So, I don't know, but I guess maybe Shockwave would be cheaper if it was released now by Hasbro or TakaraTomy, maybe $50-$60?

These KOs are good but they're overpriced. For instance, Mirage and Wheeljack are standard size G1 vehicles and their KOs were and are being sold at about $50-$70 without shipping costs, while the same sized G1s like Encore Jazz cost about $30 in release retail price.

I've checked the prices before posting. Not clearence prices, but the actual release prices.

This is what I mean. Overpriced! But still cheaper than vintage ones in good condition.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:46 am

The first standard i was going by for inflation was Star Wars figures -they were $2.50 -$3 around then. Now they are $8+ (yikes). So 3 x 30 = $90 roughly. But now when i think about it, 90 does sound high. Extorted price. If H/Tak were to re-release it should probably be $50-$60 even with working electronics. The entity who owns the rights to Shockwave are real bastards. Chase it with all of your might Hasbro!! The fans will back you up!! (that goes for Jetfire too!!)

News Credits: 4 · by **capellamusic** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:03 am

vectorA3 wrote:The first standard i was going by for inflation was Star Wars figures -they were $2.50 -$3 around then. Now they are $8+ (yikes). So 3 x 30 = $90 roughly. But now when i think about it, 90 does sound high. Extorted price. If H/Tak were to re-release it should probably be $50-$60 even with working electronics. The entity who owns the rights to Shockwave are real bastards. Chase it with all of your might Hasbro!! The fans will back you up!! (that goes for Jetfire too!!)

Yeah, still it was cheaper back in the day.

As for Jetfire I think it may be even tougher because isn't it from Bandai? Bandai is a very big company in Japan as far as I know, so I doubt they'll give it to Hasbro or even TakaraTomy, which is a competitor for them... As for ToyCo I have no idea if they're active... if they aren't then it could be easier to get Shockwave.

News Credits: 1 · by **vectorA3** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:36 am

yeah, I believe Bandai owns the rights to the JF mold.

I want both, but I'd be happy with one if they ever by some miracle got re-acquired.

by **neliz** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:46 am

You could always just buy a VF-1S Hikaru Ichijo and add some stickers to him. Maybe paint a few items to have the colors even more in line with Jetfire if it can't be handled with the reprolabels.

http://reprolabels.com/Autobots/jetfire.asp

That's a lot quicker than sitting on year rear all damn day and typing how bad you want them to remake Jetfire.

Heck, some versions of Jetfire even feature the U.N. Spacy logo's.