Michael Bay Loves Shia & Sad To Leave Transformers Franchise

I have to say, Michael's vision carried out through his team, had transformers looking and doing things, and being so complicated... definitely not what I had envisioned, but I think it has been quite a feat to create what he has, and try to appease fans, and also keep it interesting/exciting enough to get interest from the general public. Certainly accomplished number 2. More people have become interested in Transformers because of the movies, people who have no previous ties to the brand. Transformers is much more mainstream culture now, and I imagine DOTM will break the records that ROTF set.

Michael and Shia have both made their marks in TF history and helped to move the brand forward to a level above what it was when they started this venture.

Sounds like he's saying Shia makes crap up...

He flat out calls Shia a liar then goes on to say that he loves him for it. Strange man.

tigertracks 24 wrote: Certainly accomplished number 2.

yes, I got a distinct whiff of "number 2" from that as well.

craggy wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote: Certainly accomplished number 2.

yes, I got a distinct whiff of "number 2" from that as well.

tigertracks 24 wrote:I have to say, Michael's vision carried out through his team, had transformers looking and doing things, and being so complicated... definitely not what I had envisioned, but I think it has been quite a feat to create what he has, and try to appease fans, and also keep it interesting/exciting enough to get interest from the general public. Certainly accomplished number 2. More people have become interested in Transformers because of the movies, people who have no previous ties to the brand. Transformers is much more mainstream culture now, and I imagine DOTM will break the records that ROTF set.

Michael and Shia have both made their marks in TF history and helped to move the brand forward to a level above what it was when they started this venture.

That is absolutely 100% true . I mean me for instance...Before the movie existed on 2007 I've never EVER heard of something called "Transformers".

But once the movie was premiered on the theater,I started reading TF comics from G1 to the current one,which is DOTM,started watching TF cartoons,learning about the old(G1) TFs that I didnt know existed before,started collecting TF toys and of course joining Seibertron xP.

Seriously to those who keep dissing M.Bay and the TF movie are illogical...I mean like really? The man helped reincarnate the TF line to the current teenagers(Who I can assure you most of them wont watch G1 EVER even if they heard of it) and kids and because of him the TF fans have probably doubled or tripled or maybe more.So all I can say is...Stop dissing/hating...

PS : I was born in the year 1994(17),and I can assure you I NEVER heard anything about TF until like 4 years ago.

I am seriously glad this crap is going to be over after this movie. Micheal Bay and Shia LeBarf can go do other stuff that i could care less about. Lets start thinking about a reboot. Get some real talent into this and make a set of movies that are actually going to be worth watching.

Thank you, Micheal Bay for placing my favorite IP back into the limelight and causing revenue so that bigger and better things could happen! But in the same sentence, "Fuck you, Michael Bay for creating a set of shit movies that bashed a beloved IP from my childhood."

i know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but let's not be disrespectful. i thank bay and everyone so much for bringing back transformers. what would we have if the movies hadn't been created? im glad it brought so many more people into the transformers world.

Good f*beep* riddance!

Michael Bay got me back into Transformers. Love G1, HATED everything ever since except the movies. I also didn't start collecting until the first movie.

It's nice to see Bay's films aren't completely rejected by hardcore TF fans, but his demographic obviously skews younger than the "trukk not munky" generation who grew up with G1.

Regardless, what articles or interviews is Bay responding to here?
Has Shia been accusing Bay of hiring second-unit directors?
And who could expect any director to oversee the filming of EVERY SHOT on a film of this complexity?
Films have been made with multiple units shooting simultaneously for almost as long as the industry existed. It happens on any major studio film, and Bay's crazy to think he can convince us otherwise...

...if, in fact, that's what he's suggesting.

Without the proper context, however, it's hard to understand what he's talking about, especially given how contradictory his statements seem to be.

Some links to published comments from Shia would go a long way to clarify the situation.

chrisc4 wrote:i know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but let's not be disrespectful. i thank bay and everyone so much for bringing back transformers. what would we have if the movies hadn't been created? im glad it brought so many more people into the transformers world.

^ More or less. Hes done great bringing everything back and creating an interest in the mainstream for the IP. To that, hes been a godsend. There has been alot of great games, toys, and cartoons now that have all come out now because of his movies. Hell, he even brought Peter Cullen back into the fold.

As far as the story, acting, and art style to his movies, well....all i see is red when i go to post my opinions on'm.

And im not a 'trukk, not monkey' fan. I like alot of the continuities (if that was directed at me).

Trikeboy wrote:Strange man.

And don't you forget it!

I just find it funny that the guy get so much hate for making a live action TF, which is obviously impossible to cater to everyone's liking, and we have people crying for reboots and crap, yet the same people forget that TF is pretty much a collection of different takes on the same concept. For example I thought Superlink was sh*t, but you don't see me cry about it; I just skipped the whole thing and look for another TF series that I like, simple.

Hate the movies? Skip them and go watch TF: prime or something.
Want a reboot? But TF's stories are mostly made of reboots in the first place
Movies characters are not similar to their G1 counterparts? But it's not G1, so that's not a valid reason.
Michael Bay raped your childhood? Well, it still can't beat what Kissplayers had done with "Legion"

TF as a brand was pretty silent and surviving on collectors support and japanese TF series, until the movies happened and now it thrives; new toys are made, new concepts explored. Before the movies, how many of you would've though that a TF toy as complex as ROTF prime could even exist? The best we got were the Binaltechs and Masterpiece.

That's it, just my 2 cents on the ridiculous hate issues.

I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

might want to re-word the title a bit, when i read it i thought bay was leaving too. "sad to see him leave" will fix that cause im sure i wont be the only one.

guarayakha wrote:
TF as a brand was pretty silent and surviving on collectors support and japanese TF series, until the movies happened and now it thrives; new toys are made, new concepts explored. Before the movies, how many of you would've though that a TF toy as complex as ROTF prime could even exist? The best we got were the Binaltechs and Masterpiece.

That's it, just my 2 cents on the ridiculous hate issues.

Um, no, that is completely wrong. R.I.D./The Unicron Trilogy was huge for kids in the states. Yeah the show was anime of dubious quality, but it was a joint effort between Hasbro and Takara. And, again, for kids it was huge, and brought attention back to the brand back in 01. Hence the interest in doing a live action film in the first place. The Transformers as a brand were never silent in the states, each incarnation has been incredibly popular with it's intended fan base, as well as the collectors. That's why collector aimed lines, such as the G1 reissues and Alternators happened in the states. The line still proved to be popular to fans as well as the kids.

Yeah, I agree that the films made them even more mainstream. But to say that the brand was silent and surviving on collector support is totally ignorant and totally wrong. If that were the case, the brand wouldn't be where it's at, much to the chagrin of some collectors, who wish to think we were the sole reason the brand survived as long as it did. Hell, Transformers may not even be around anymore if that were the case, as a collective, even now, I don't think we have the financial resources to sustain the franchise, then or now.

As far as Bay. Loved the first movie, hated the second one, holding out hope DOTM will be decent. But good riddance to him. Bay is a horrible douche canoe who could care less about the Transformers as a brand or characters. Watch the special features on both films dvd's. It was all about how much Bay loves the army and himself, if he coulda got away with not having the Transformers in these films at all, he'd have done it. He's a full of himself director who's mediocre at best.

Capt.Failure wrote:I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

LOL. Transformers survived for 20 years prior to Bay's films. Hasbro woulda kept it going, Bay's films weren't the "saving the Transformers from total oblivion" factor that some would like to think they are.

D-340 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

LOL. Transformers survived for 20 years prior to Bay's films. Hasbro woulda kept it going, Bay's films weren't the "saving the Transformers from total oblivion" factor that some would like to think they are.

furthermore, bay had nowt to do with the production being green lit.

he was director for hire on first movie.

it was a life long wish to see this movie or a deep felt desire to rekindle a childhood franchise.

He did the best he could, but what his motives are i dont know, opportunity to blow sh1t up and collect a paycheque maybe, but it wasnt a fandom of TF, and why, cos he said it himself.

http://movies.about.com/od/transformers ... b61707.htm

they arent the movies we want, but they are the movie we got, so jsut have to suck it up. for now

Why not go nag Randall NG and Dr. SMOOV to go make the reboot then? Ha ha. You can't say they'd ever dis the franchise or do it for the money. Look what they're already giving us for free.


As for me, I'm not sad this is the end of this era. I loved the run, and I'm now ready for it to end, and just happy it happened. Maybe one day I'll be able to afford a serious collection - then I might start with finishing the whole movie lines. Until then, I'll keep trying to make costumes out of whatever I can get my paws on. The sooner, the better, because I need another costume to run around in. Or should I say I know who I want to be and I want to run around as him already! XD

Have fun everybody. Enjoy the last of the bay-verse films, for whatever it turns out to be.

Be a positive force in fandom!!!~

D-340 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

LOL. Transformers survived for 20 years prior to Bay's films. Hasbro woulda kept it going, Bay's films weren't the "saving the Transformers from total oblivion" factor that some would like to think they are.

You can appeal to the core audience, but that won't keep a franchise alive. The fact Hasbro had to reach out to Takara to even get a show produced says alot of were Transformers was headed at the time.

Also last I checked we as a fandom did nothing to earn Bay's respect. Protests, death threats, breaking into his house? If I was trying to make a film and the fans of the series did stuff like that I would neither respect them or cater to them. I may be a Transformers fan, but I also realize the people in this fanbase are pretty horrible examples of human beings: petty, childish, hateful, spiteful, and ungreatful for every consession Hasbro has made. I'd wager to say only Twilight fans are worse than us, and I only say that because I friggin' hate Twilight. I'm surprised Bay stuck with it for three films, paycheck or not.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm going to miss him. I've actually gained a newfound respect for the guy.

Heh. I will undoubtedly enjoy this last film as a Topless Robot FAQ. The one written for the second film was the best part of ROTF:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bon ... 2_faqs.php

As far as a reboot goes- I can't wait. I haven't enjoyed a single aspect of the film series- nor have I bought a single toy, nor have I payed to see a single film.

I have bought a heck of a lot of the Classics, Animated, and WFC toys though.

When the reboot comes, I imagine it will be a joint Disney/Marvel offer, as Disney would love to get the Transformers in their basket, and Marvel has such a long creative history with the franchise.

Maybe some of the Pixar writers could even come and write a decent story with, I dunno, a few Robot Characters who actually have personality and depth. I know that sounds like an impossible task, but somehow I think they could manage.

I said it once and I'll say it again.No one hates Transformers as much as the fans do.No matter who writes it,directs it,acts most fans will claim to hate it and complain about it.Facts are no matter what there will certain elements in a TF main stream movie.Since the movie will be aimed at families and children since it is a movie to sell toys.There will never be a movie rated higher than PG-13,there will always be humans and campy comedy.I'm honestly surprised we got movies as good as we did that are more adult.These movies could of been so bad .I dont think some of you think about that.The same ones talking crap about Bay today could be the same fans begging him back after the next film.Like him or hate him in the end he did what he tried to do.He made transformers look real and belivable on screen.The first time I saw Blackout Transform and blow the hell out of that military base blew my mind and still does.I hope they can convince him to come back and do another movie I can enjoy in two more years.Instead of waiting another 3-4 for a reboot that may not be as good and be aimed more towardss children.Less explosions and viloence maybe even end up having a theme like Armada did.It can be way worse than better in my opinion.

Oh, it could certainly be worse. It could be a MBay style film without any explosions. Then all it would be is a series of barely connected vignettes about peeing, racism, and pot brownies.

I mean, if the effects/films are really as good as everyone says they are, then surely they will stand the test of time to be revisited and enjoyed for countless years. Surely.

And if MBay really loves the franchise like some claim, then surely he will close the series out in an emotionally satisfying way- making you feel like you've participated in a grand story, worth your time and devotion. It's the right thing to do.

Really, if those "infants" who are making the Harry Potter films can do it, then obviously MBay has the talent and testicular fortitude to make a lasting statement with characters we've come to love and cherish.

I myself eagerly await to see what will become of Starscream. The two previous films spent so much time setting up his secret plot to betray Megatron- but who are his co-conspirators? When will he reveal his true designs?

Or what about the "dark secret" Optimus has carried with him since the last film? Did his coming back to life have some kind of price attached? What was that radio message he sent into deep space? Who is Ultra Magnus?

Then there's Megan Fox's near fatal accident at the end of Transformers 2 when she activated the Matrix of Leadership. Will she come back as a friend or foe?

And what of this mysterious Shockwave we've been catching glimpses of since the first film? What is his endgame, and why is he so worried about this Unicron fellow?

These are the truly great storytelling touches MBay brought to the series, and I for one can't wait to see how it all wraps up in the third film.

Honestly, the people who want explosions and zero brain activity have got three films in a row fitting the bill.

It would be nice to see someone new step up to the plate now.

I grew up with Armada, Energon, and Cybertron on TV. I thought it was a terrible excuse for the show, the robots mouths didn't match their words, and they barely moved. When I saw the trailer for the 2007 movie, They moved and talked, they looked alive, not like a dying mechanical animal that was shoved into the background every week to sell a new toy. Then I saw the G1 movie, I hated Hot Rod but I loved the movie. The first G1 episode I saw was the Autobot Run. M. Bay didn't only make me a TF fan, but he made me think Frank Welker was dead.... then I played the game, and I thought his voice sounded wierd (Too low pitched). So if it wasn't for Bay TFA wouldn't have happened, TF Prime wouldn't have happened, and Peter Cullen probably wouldn't be Prime anymore. Ironically a movie geared toward the casual audience pulled me out of the casual audience.

THANKS BAY!!!!

Capt.Failure wrote:

D-340 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

LOL. Transformers survived for 20 years prior to Bay's films. Hasbro woulda kept it going, Bay's films weren't the "saving the Transformers from total oblivion" factor that some would like to think they are.

You can appeal to the core audience, but that won't keep a franchise alive. The fact Hasbro had to reach out to Takara to even get a show produced says alot of were Transformers was headed at the time.

Also last I checked we as a fandom did nothing to earn Bay's respect. Protests, death threats, breaking into his house? If I was trying to make a film and the fans of the series did stuff like that I would neither respect them or cater to them. I may be a Transformers fan, but I also realize the people in this fanbase are pretty horrible examples of human beings: petty, childish, hateful, spiteful, and ungreatful for every consession Hasbro has made. I'd wager to say only Twilight fans are worse than us, and I only say that because I friggin' hate Twilight. I'm surprised Bay stuck with it for three films, paycheck or not.

If the core audience is children, yes it can. Hasbro did it, for quite some time. Yeah, Beast Machines was a misstep and not as popular(though I loved the series, I can see why it wasn't. It was way too dark), hence TransTech being scrapped. But Hasbro made the move, knowing it would be better for Transformers, which they were right. It kept the series relevant, and generated interest in a live action film. Like I said, the films made them more mainstream, but even without them, Transformers woulda been around in one way, shape or form. And it still woulda been popular, because of it's core audience, the kids. Every new series caters to the next generation of kids, that's why it didn't go any where in the first place.

As far as Bay's respect, who cares. Does the fandom really need the respect of a permanently prepubescent man child? And even if the fandom had Bay's respect, would that have changed anything? Would that have kept ROTF from being the absolute train wreck covered in elephant crap it was? Doubt it. It's got nothing to do with respecting the fandom, it's got to do with respecting the source material, which he doesn't. He could care less, it's a paycheck to him. Like I said before, if he coulda got away with not having the TF's in these movies at all, he'd have done it.

vegetacron wrote:I am seriously glad this crap is going to be over after this movie. Micheal Bay and Shia LeBarf can go do other stuff that i could care less about. Lets start thinking about a reboot. Get some real talent into this and make a set of movies that are actually going to be worth watching.

Thank you, Micheal Bay for placing my favorite IP back into the limelight and causing revenue so that bigger and better things could happen! But in the same sentence, **** you, Michael Bay for creating a set of shit movies that bashed a beloved IP from my childhood."

D-340 wrote: As far as Bay's respect, who cares. Does the fandom really need the respect of a permanently prepubescent man child? And even if the fandom had Bay's respect, would that have changed anything? Would that have kept ROTF from being the absolute train wreck covered in elephant crap it was? Doubt it. It's got nothing to do with respecting the fandom, it's got to do with respecting the source material, which he doesn't. He could care less, it's a paycheck to him. Like I said before, if he coulda got away with not having the TF's in these movies at all, he'd have done it.

Seeing posts like these...

How can you expect Bay, or anyone to want to respect the fandom with coment like this? Better yet, why would any director want to even attempt to reboot the movies if this is how your going to talk about him/her if their vison doesn't meet up to yours? This kind of crap talk makes me embarased to be part of the fandom. Some of you really don't know just how good we had it. You know who's directing the new G.I. Joe movie? The dude that directed the Justin Beiber movie. While i want any reboot to be sucsessfull, part of me wante Ewe Boll to direct the next reboot. Worse yet, the guy that directed the "Doom" movie. Then you haters will really see what "disrespecting" a franchise and source material is all about.

A couple of new updates from director Michael Bay's official website.

First, Michael Bay has posted a "Thank You" message on his official website to all the Transformers' fans of the world. He also encourages everyone to see Transformers DOTM in a high quality theater in 3D. See hiss message below.

I just want to take the opportunity to thank all the fans around the world for letting me have fun with the Transformers franchise. It has been a wonderful opportunity to have worked with about 4000 crew members around the world. These artists are some of the very best in the entire film business. I’m honored to have had you work along side me. We had an amazing time.

‘Dark of the Moon’ has some of the most technically challenging sequences ever shot. And shot in 3D. I must urge you to find the very best theatre and see this movie in that format. 3D was a forethought, not an afterthought in this movie. I’m glad Jim Cameron and Steven Spielberg really convinced me to shoot in this new technology. We used and invented many new techniques to make the 3D sharper, brighter and more color contrast. I think theatre owners heard their audience that they need to respect the specs of the projectors and not dim the bulbs to save money.

Many theaters are presenting it in the brand new 7.1 sound, which is awesome. This is the most complex, intricate sound track that me and my Academy Awarding winning sound team have done. They really out did themselves to make this a big picture experience. Hopefully you will have as much fun watching this movie as we all had making it.

Thanks,

Michael Bay

Second, a Transformers DOTM accolades trailer has been posted. Same as previous trailers, but with various positive reviews of the film overlaid. Click here to check it out on Vimeo.

D-340 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

D-340 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:I honestly find this level of comtempt for the man who helped revitalize the franchise astounding. Were the films everything they could have been? No. Were they perfect? Far from it. However despite this, even with how much of a base breaker RotF was among the core fans the film series has given Transformers a shot of popularity it's never seen before. You wish Bay had never directed the films? You may as well wish the Transformers franchise would have slowly withered away and died.

LOL. Transformers survived for 20 years prior to Bay's films. Hasbro woulda kept it going, Bay's films weren't the "saving the Transformers from total oblivion" factor that some would like to think they are.

You can appeal to the core audience, but that won't keep a franchise alive. The fact Hasbro had to reach out to Takara to even get a show produced says alot of were Transformers was headed at the time.

Also last I checked we as a fandom did nothing to earn Bay's respect. Protests, death threats, breaking into his house? If I was trying to make a film and the fans of the series did stuff like that I would neither respect them or cater to them. I may be a Transformers fan, but I also realize the people in this fanbase are pretty horrible examples of human beings: petty, childish, hateful, spiteful, and ungreatful for every consession Hasbro has made. I'd wager to say only Twilight fans are worse than us, and I only say that because I friggin' hate Twilight. I'm surprised Bay stuck with it for three films, paycheck or not.

If the core audience is children, yes it can. Hasbro did it, for quite some time. Yeah, Beast Machines was a misstep and not as popular(though I loved the series, I can see why it wasn't. It was way too dark), hence TransTech being scrapped. But Hasbro made the move, knowing it would be better for Transformers, which they were right. It kept the series relevant, and generated interest in a live action film. Like I said, the films made them more mainstream, but even without them, Transformers woulda been around in one way, shape or form. And it still woulda been popular, because of it's core audience, the kids. Every new series caters to the next generation of kids, that's why it didn't go any where in the first place.

As far as Bay's respect, who cares. Does the fandom really need the respect of a permanently prepubescent man child? And even if the fandom had Bay's respect, would that have changed anything? Would that have kept ROTF from being the absolute train wreck covered in elephant crap it was? Doubt it. It's got nothing to do with respecting the fandom, it's got to do with respecting the source material, which he doesn't. He could care less, it's a paycheck to him. Like I said before, if he coulda got away with not having the TF's in these movies at all, he'd have done it.

I enjoyed ROTF because of its action and humor, but because of the writers stike I'm sure it could of been better with a better flow.In the end it wasnt a terrible movie but it wasnt as awesome as it could have been.
As far as Bay I really belive he was excited about this movie and making TF as real as he could have.I read all the interviews as he was first making the movie I think the fandom beat him down a lot.

Whether you love or hate him as a director, I'm gonna miss him from the TF fandom. I felt he did really awesome in bringing them to life.

I think we all if not most of us can agree that as much as we hoped for we were not going to get a live action Transformers the Movie '86 when the films were first announced. And as much as most of us (especially G1 fans) hoped for a Spielberg or maybe even a Peter Jackson and shuttered with the announcement of Bay he made it a live action movie which I imagine is no easy feat. The brand is bigger. I've worked with kids since 1994 and never have I seen it so popular. No the movies werent perfect matter of fact some of it was crap but visually Bay made these robots come to life ( with the help of I.L.,M). Let's give him some slack. If we had got it 100% our way the live action movies would have been exactly like the '86 animated movie, fan favorite cult classics with no box office success.

SoooTrypticon wrote:Heh. I will undoubtedly enjoy this last film as a Topless Robot FAQ. The one written for the second film was the best part of ROTF:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bon ... 2_faqs.php

As far as a reboot goes- I can't wait. I haven't enjoyed a single aspect of the film series- nor have I bought a single toy, nor have I payed to see a single film.

I have bought a heck of a lot of the Classics, Animated, and WFC toys though.

When the reboot comes, I imagine it will be a joint Disney/Marvel offer, as Disney would love to get the Transformers in their basket, and Marvel has such a long creative history with the franchise.

Maybe some of the Pixar writers could even come and write a decent story with, I dunno, a few Robot Characters who actually have personality and depth. I know that sounds like an impossible task, but somehow I think they could manage.

i love topless robots stufff. should check out cracked.com as well. it is some funny piss taking material, for thoe who dont take the movies too seriously.

as for bay, yeh he is done, so be it. maybe dotm will be good, im going to see it anyway. and many like me will too. and then we will be included in the argument if the movie is poor, by saying look at the money it made.

the thing is this franchise was released at an optimum time, its a hollywood concept, the nostalgia market. you wait long enough for the core original fanbase to reach a certain age, then boom releasse new material. the sense of nostalgia with the oldies, like myself, will draw us to these movies. same thing with star wars.

then you make it simple as possible, to get the next current generation of kids, then boom, blockbuster heaven. Marketing sold this movie, not bay

5150 Cruiser wrote: Seeing posts like these...

How can you expect Bay, or anyone to want to respect the fandom with coment like this? Better yet, why would any director want to even attempt to reboot the movies if this is how your going to talk about him/her if their vison doesn't meet up to yours? This kind of crap talk makes me embarased to be part of the fandom. Some of you really don't know just how good we had it. You know who's directing the new G.I. Joe movie? The dude that directed the Justin Beiber movie. While i want any reboot to be sucsessfull, part of me wante Ewe Boll to direct the next reboot. Worse yet, the guy that directed the "Doom" movie. Then you haters will really see what "disrespecting" a franchise and source material is all about.

I was going to reply to everything, but ill reply to just this to keep it somewhat short.

When people 'like' or 'approve' of something, they generally buy it and the person(s)who made it make lots of money.

We don't all sit around on forum threads and post about how much we really, really liked something and continuously post about how much we like it....although, i once made a thread sometime back about how much i loved Animated after hating it for the first season.

So you don't see praise here, because we praise with out money. The people producing the content know, because of how much money they make.

Now, when something is terrible, we all still pay for it and then complain about how terrible it was or how terrible the person is who created it. And where else would we complain? I'm sure if i stuck my head out the window right now and screamed at the top of my lungs that i hated Micheal Bay, no one would care. In fact, you can bank on that.

So if i want to bring negative attention against the person who gladly took my money and then gave me a bag of shit in return, I would complain somewhere, where people would actually care, take notice, and respond. Such as seibertron.com.

Now, heres the "conundrum" that no one is getting here, aside from D-340 and a few others: We would gladly pay Micheal Bay for each of his movies. Not because hes a great director or had some wicked vision for the TF IP, but because of him taking the IP and making it noticeable and profitable for Hasbro, we now have so much more that we did'nt have 10 years ago. I hate Micheal Bay for making such shit Transformer movies as much as I love the guy for making the crap to sell movie tickets and make Hasbro money so that they would green light alot more projects, like "Transformers Prime", and "War for Cybertron", and the "Generations" toy line.

I'm not going to flame the younger crowd here posting that they loved the movie, because it was people like them, giving their money to Micheal Bay, that gave us older fans what we wanted.

I just absolutely hate, HATE the means that justified the ends and in this case, what was done with the movies. Thats my opinion. Flame it over and over all you like. Call me a immature fanboy....whatever, but in another 2-5 years, when the mainstream forgets about The Transformers and Micheal Bay makes some other crap movie im not going to watch, i'm gonna be the guy who still buys the comics, and still buys the toys, and still watches the cartoons because this is my hobby and this franchise or intellectual hobby is what I truly enjoy in life.

vegetacron wrote:

5150 Cruiser wrote: Seeing posts like these...

How can you expect Bay, or anyone to want to respect the fandom with coment like this? Better yet, why would any director want to even attempt to reboot the movies if this is how your going to talk about him/her if their vison doesn't meet up to yours? This kind of crap talk makes me embarased to be part of the fandom. Some of you really don't know just how good we had it. You know who's directing the new G.I. Joe movie? The dude that directed the Justin Beiber movie. While i want any reboot to be sucsessfull, part of me wante Ewe Boll to direct the next reboot. Worse yet, the guy that directed the "Doom" movie. Then you haters will really see what "disrespecting" a franchise and source material is all about.

I was going to reply to everything, but ill reply to just this to keep it somewhat short.

When people 'like' or 'approve' of something, they generally buy it and the person(s)who made it make lots of money.

We don't all sit around on forum threads and post about how much we really, really liked something and continuously post about how much we like it....although, i once made a thread sometime back about how much i loved Animated after hating it for the first season.

So you don't see praise here, because we praise with out money. The people producing the content know, because of how much money they make.

Now, when something is terrible, we all still pay for it and then complain about how terrible it was or how terrible the person is who created it. And where else would we complain? I'm sure if i stuck my head out the window right now and screamed at the top of my lungs that i hated Micheal Bay, no one would care. In fact, you can bank on that.

So if i want to bring negative attention against the person who gladly took my money and then gave me a bag of shit in return, I would complain somewhere, where people would actually care, take notice, and respond. Such as seibertron.com.

Now, heres the "conundrum" that no one is getting here, aside from D-340 and a few others: We would gladly pay Micheal Bay for each of his movies. Not because hes a great director or had some wicked vision for the TF IP, but because of him taking the IP and making it noticeable and profitable for Hasbro, we now have so much more that we did'nt have 10 years ago. I hate Micheal Bay for making such shit Transformer movies as much as I love the guy for making the crap to sell movie tickets and make Hasbro money so that they would green light alot more projects, like "Transformers Prime", and "War for Cybertron", and the "Generations" toy line.

I'm not going to flame the younger crowd here posting that they loved the movie, because it was people like them, giving their money to Micheal Bay, that gave us older fans what we wanted.

I just absolutely hate, HATE the means that justified the ends and in this case, what was done with the movies. Thats my opinion. Flame it over and over all you like. Call me a immature fanboy....whatever, but in another 2-5 years, when the mainstream forgets about The Transformers and Micheal Bay makes some other crap movie im not going to watch, i'm gonna be the guy who still buys the comics, and still buys the toys, and still watches the cartoons because this is my hobby and this franchise or intellectual hobby is what I truly enjoy in life.

I'm glad the movies happened, because they brought Transformers back into the spotlight and gave us lots of new toys. I'm not glad they were poorly written and directed. So I hope this is goodbye for good to all the big wigs involved, and that whatever comes next for live action movies has the quality of the G1 and Transformers Prime Cartoons, with plot and character development first, no more complexity in robot designs than necessary, and wittier and more tasteful humor and special effects. And yes, more robot dialogue voiced by Peter Cullen and Frank Welker and other great voice actors. I am looking forward to seeing the third movie in 3D and saying goodbye to this era of the franchise.

SoooTrypticon wrote:Heh. I will undoubtedly enjoy this last film as a Topless Robot FAQ. The one written for the second film was the best part of ROTF:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bon ... 2_faqs.php

Now THIS is hilarious. I just read thru the ROTF article and i was in tears from laughing so hard.

Blackstreak wrote:Whether you love or hate him as a director, I'm gonna miss him from the TF fandom. I felt he did really awesome in bringing them to life.

Finally, someone who agrees.

El Duque wrote:A couple of new updates from director Michael Bay's official website.

First, Michael Bay has posted a "Thank You" message on his official website to all the Transformers' fans of the world. He also encourages everyone to see Transformers DOTM in a high quality theater in 3D. See hiss message below.

I just want to take the opportunity to thank all the fans around the world for letting me have fun with the Transformers franchise. It has been a wonderful opportunity to have worked with about 4000 crew members around the world. These artists are some of the very best in the entire film business. I’m honored to have had you work along side me. We had an amazing time.

‘Dark of the Moon’ has some of the most technically challenging sequences ever shot. And shot in 3D. I must urge you to find the very best theatre and see this movie in that format. 3D was a forethought, not an afterthought in this movie. I’m glad Jim Cameron and Steven Spielberg really convinced me to shoot in this new technology. We used and invented many new techniques to make the 3D sharper, brighter and more color contrast. I think theatre owners heard their audience that they need to respect the specs of the projectors and not dim the bulbs to save money.

Many theaters are presenting it in the brand new 7.1 sound, which is awesome. This is the most complex, intricate sound track that me and my Academy Awarding winning sound team have done. They really out did themselves to make this a big picture experience. Hopefully you will have as much fun watching this movie as we all had making it.

Thanks,

Michael Bay

Second, a Transformers DOTM accolades trailer has been posted. Same as previous trailers, but with various positive reviews of the film overlaid. Click here to check it out on Vimeo.

Just goes to show you Bay's a better man than the people he tried to appease.

Mindmaster wrote:Finally, someone who agrees.

There's more of us than them, most of us are just content not to scream on forums about it.

I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

vegetacron wrote:

SoooTrypticon wrote:Heh. I will undoubtedly enjoy this last film as a Topless Robot FAQ. The one written for the second film was the best part of ROTF:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bon ... 2_faqs.php

Now THIS is hilarious. I just read thru the ROTF article and i was in tears from laughing so hard.

My brother read it in his Plinkett impression... I laughed hard.

I find it very sad how people are never satisfied.. theres always suggestions on how the movies should have been done but no one else delivers. People focus only on the negatives and not the positives of the TF movies which I think is unfair because we should be grateful for getting live action Tf movies in the first place. If you guys can make something better then by all means grab your camera and your crew then put your pro movie making skills to the test. A reboot sounds interesting but i cant imagine seeing the transformers in any other way, definitely not the G1 style.

People are calling for a reboot already?

I can't take much more of this fandom. I really can't. I just want to scream at the top of my lungs right now.

Thank you, Mr. Bay for your hard work. That being said, you could've been a bit more gracious accepting your PLASTIC award that you drew so much attention to.

Tekka wrote:I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

Now that he's out, I better not hear another bad word about him when the next TransFormers is ruined or if the director sucks. Bay will have had nothing to do with it at that point. If someone does, I'm gonna climb through the screen and slap someone, like a rabid monkey on roid rage.

vegetacron wrote: When people 'like' or 'approve' of something, they generally buy it and the person(s)who made it make lots of money.

We don't all sit around on forum threads and post about how much we really, really liked something and continuously post about how much we like it....although, i once made a thread sometime back about how much i loved Animated after hating it for the first season.

Fair enough. your correct that for the most pear, people will voice their opinion anout something they dislike before something they just "like".

vegetacron wrote:So you don't see praise here, because we praise with out money. The people producing the content know, because of how much money they make..

True. The amount of money people spend on a particular product says alot on how much they liked/enjoyed etc. But thats not the sole way to express ones aproval of any given subject. There have been plenty of threads here from people expressing their like for ROTF, as well as the movie verse in general.

Now, when something is terrible, we all still pay for it and then complain about how terrible it was or how terrible the person is who created it. And where else would we complain? I'm sure if i stuck my head out the window right now and screamed at the top of my lungs that i hated Micheal Bay, no one would care. In fact, you can bank on that.

So if i want to bring negative attention against the person who gladly took my money and then gave me a bag of shit in return, I would complain somewhere, where people would actually care, take notice, and respond. Such as seibertron.com.

See, your not getting my point. There's absolutely nothing wrong with voicing a negative opinion on something you don't like. Especialy if you paid for it and can't get a refund. BUt there's a difference between a negative coment, and telling someone to F*** off, you make shit movies, and saying that you don't care about respecting him or not. If thats the case, why should he respect you? And on that note, we disrespected him long before he "disrespected" us. Death treats, home being broken into.. and for what? Prime being a long nose Perterbuilt and having flames? Lame.
So in the end, complain all you want. Its your right. But expect the same level of "respect" back. Also, I don't know what you concider a "Younger crowd", but i'm 29 and grew up with G1. I liked both movies. They brought me out of my TF dark ages.Yes, i'm sure the somehow, the franchise would have continued without the movies, but it would have been alot less lonely road.

Autobot032 wrote:

Tekka wrote:I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

Now that he's out, I better not hear another bad word about him when the next TransFormers is ruined or if the director sucks. Bay will have had nothing to do with it at that point. If someone does, I'm gonna climb through the screen and slap someone, like a rabid monkey on roid rage.

I'm afraid that every Transformers series from now on will be tainted by the Bay, and the stench of Revenge of the Fallen will carry on into eternity. Transformers fans across the world will continue to curse his name ad infinitum until hell freezes over and Autobots fly.

Tekka wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Tekka wrote:I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

Now that he's out, I better not hear another bad word about him when the next TransFormers is ruined or if the director sucks. Bay will have had nothing to do with it at that point. If someone does, I'm gonna climb through the screen and slap someone, like a rabid monkey on roid rage.

I'm afraid that every Transformers series from now on will be tainted by the Bay, and the stench of Revenge of the Fallen will carry on into eternity. Transformers fans across the world will continue to curse his name ad infinitum until hell freezes over and Autobots fly.

But some autobots do fly...

Capt.Failure wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Tekka wrote:I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

Now that he's out, I better not hear another bad word about him when the next TransFormers is ruined or if the director sucks. Bay will have had nothing to do with it at that point. If someone does, I'm gonna climb through the screen and slap someone, like a rabid monkey on roid rage.

I'm afraid that every Transformers series from now on will be tainted by the Bay, and the stench of Revenge of the Fallen will carry on into eternity. Transformers fans across the world will continue to curse his name ad infinitum until hell freezes over and Autobots fly.

But some autobots do fly...

CURSE YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I just wish some of the haters would direct their hatred towards Orci and Kurtzman. They're the ones who wrote the stuff in the first place.

Funny how people weren't happy or upset when they left! Nope, so much easier to hate on Bay.

That's okay, he's sitting back and laughing at you anyway. That's why I like the guy.

Burn wrote:I just wish some of the haters would direct their hatred towards Orci and Kurtzman. They're the ones who wrote the stuff in the first place.

Funny how people weren't happy or upset when they left! Nope, so much easier to hate on Bay.

That's okay, he's sitting back and laughing at you anyway. That's why I like the guy.

*Capt.Failure extends a closed fist to Burn*

Respect knuckles, bro...

Capt.Failure wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

Tekka wrote:I will miss Michael Bay because he was a convenient scapegoat. If anything goes wrong anywhere in the world at any time, it's his fault... Even if it's not Transformers related.

Now that he's out, I better not hear another bad word about him when the next TransFormers is ruined or if the director sucks. Bay will have had nothing to do with it at that point. If someone does, I'm gonna climb through the screen and slap someone, like a rabid monkey on roid rage.

I'm afraid that every Transformers series from now on will be tainted by the Bay, and the stench of Revenge of the Fallen will carry on into eternity. Transformers fans across the world will continue to curse his name ad infinitum until hell freezes over and Autobots fly.

But some autobots do fly...

lol ah! you beat me to it!