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I suspect that ROTB, like Bumblebee, will have references to the Bay movies (which we already see in some of the designs, Bee looks a bit more like his 07 design and Prime has swords similar to his Bayverse ones), but the movie doesn’t actually work with the Bayverse timeline. I’m curious if they’ll have the Autobots (minus Bee) leave Earth at the end of the movie since they need to be off-world by the start of 07.

The Bayverse references were some of the only bits I really enjoyed from BB (Simmons, scanning the Camaro), so I’d be glad if we saw some more of those!

What he’s experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right?

Ugh. Because obviously he became the hyper-competent badass leader of the Autobots by being effortlessly perfect from the moment he came online. And clearly he had that whole civil war thing under control until they had to abandon their planet.

How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.

like it matters

griftimus prime wrote:like it matters

Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.

william-james88 wrote:

griftimus prime wrote:like it matters

Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.

TLK ended en queue de poisson.
There's lots of questions that needs to be answered.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

griftimus prime wrote:like it matters

Seems to matter to a lot of people within the fan community who have been debating the issue since TLK bombed.

TLK ended en queue de poisson.
There's lots of questions that needs to be answered.

It's interesting how this is shaping up. I remember English class, how the definition of an "epic" is starting in the middle of things- "in medias res"- before having a flashback, then finishing the story later. I doubt this was intentional, but maybe.

New character posters for ROTB with Bumblebee, Wheeljack, and Arcee!





Bumblebee’s head design changed a bit from BB, no silver trim on the helmet, the yellow pieces under the eyes, missing a piece on the mouth section, and his ear pieces now sit lower, by his cheeks.

I am LOVING that Arcee.

At least Arcee looks less like a creepy doll now. Not really getting the rage for the producer comments here, he said almost the exact thing before Bumblebee premiered.

Also for all those who want humanless transformers, don't forget we have the prequel to the prequel coming out next year

-Kanrabat- wrote:So, if that movie is not a reboot, does that means that we will get a TLK sequel at some point that would wrap all the loose ends?

Man, I would love that. I wish they would do a sequel to wrap it all up and then we wouldn't have to worry about anything about that universe anymore.

The wording here seems a little vague. Perhaps the new movies a retelling of the Bayverse? That or they are waiting to fully confirm the reboot after the movie fails or succeeds.
Still hyped tho!

I like how everyone thought the Cybertron scenes immediately meant reboot despite the way these robots changed forms rather frequently (and probably moreso than the Aligned continuity), plus Sector 7, the Camaro, and the lack of Megatron meant it wasn't really going to be a reboot despite people's wishful thinking.

Was there any fan out there still thinking Paramount would change Wheeljack's look like they did with Sonic? Well, Hasbro has revealed new character posters today for the film and that includes our first official look at Wheeljack. The new character posters for ROTB also include Bumblebee and Arcee. We thank fellow Seibertronian EvasionModeBumblebee for letting us know of these.

Ah Lorenzo the man who continues to be the sewer that drains the life out of the IP, it's gonna be like GI Joe soon enough as far as the films go, burning good will away till the casual audience doesn't want to see these films anymore, nobody needed "yet another Transformers film" especially not after 16 years.

Wheeljack's lips are whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, the rest of the head is passible ignoring that it's Wheeljack who got the unique treatment of being drastically different from his Bumblebee film counterpart compared to other returning characters but those lips are just ugly, imagine turning a guy with a faceplate who could easily save some budget on synching lines with lip movement into this film's big WTF face design.

Also it just stands out as inconsistent with the other character faces, literally compare him with Prime (even without his faceplate in the trailer), Bee, Arcee and Mirage and he looks drastically different aesthetic wise.

Regardless if the film and the character are good or not I will never not critique the design decisions regarding this, why did we need Steve Urkel as a robot? Hell why do we need to humanize any Transformer's face after a specific irl actor? That crap doesn't age well and it's uncreative stop doing it.

morganprime wrote:How hard is it to make a movie about transforming robots that fight each other? No one is here for humans and their problems.

I mean did you see the trailer and marketing for this movie? Humans are barely focused upon and there's only like 2 main humans in this film as well with no military at all in a major role.

That doesn't mean the movie isn't going to be Not-shit, more robot screentime has not nor will ever automatically mean it's a good film.

2007 was a better film than ROTF despite the latter having more robots and a bit more screentime for them.

What does "Transforming robots that fight each other" mean anyways? There needs to be context that makes it matter that isn't just the equivalent of watching video game fights on youtube, we've had enough mindless robot action a good film needs to for once focus on the Transformers as characters.

If they make Wheeljack TALK like Urkel as well as LOOKING like him, then it would show the writers are completely out of touch. Wandering around from scene to scene, jamming his face into the cameras and squeaking, "Did I do that???"

You can call that "Wheeljack" anything but that head is just awful looking. I love Arcee's head. Bee, I just do not care anymore about him.

I have very little hope that this movie will be good.

The BB movie is my favorite.

Interestingly, with all the parts that have been accumulated in the various movies one could make a sequel or two to TLK that could wrap up a lot of threads. For example:

Movie 2007 introduced the AllSpark, widely regarded as the core of Primus.
ROTF introduced the Matrix and a way to regenerate the AllSpark.
DOTM introduced space bridge tech, allowing for rapid transit through the universe.
AoE introduced "transformium"- a way to rapidly regenerate Cybertronian alloys and the idea of someone hunting the Transformers off-world.
TLK brought Cybertron into Earth orbit and introduced the concept of the Quintessons/Quintessa, as well as introducing Unicron
BB introduced the Cybertronians to Earth.
ROTB seems like it is introducing Transwarp technology and the Terrorcons (what are their origins?).

If you look at those pieces, I can see the development of an endgame movie where each piece fits together, resulting in a regeneration of Cybertron and a subduing of Unicron without destroying Earth.

The questions is...will the movie peeps see it and use it?

I really love Arcee's design. This might be my favorite version of her Movie iteration by far. Also happy to see Pablo lives on and Bee keeps buzzing

People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's

Real talk, straight rocket man.

william-james88 wrote:People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's

Nobody:

Wheeljack: "I'm the SOcketmaa-an.....SOCKETMAAAAANN!"

Arcee looks AMAZING, exactly how I always envisioned a Bayversed Arcee based on G1. Maintains the mechanical while being full of life and expression.

Bumblebee looks like Bumblebee.

But Wheeljack. I just have to say, what the actual ****? Sure, a good portion of the live action head designs have always been unconventional or "ugly", but his face? The worst of all worlds. How do we have Arcee and Mirage with coherent faces, and then end up with that? I was never a big fan of the head redesign, but seeing it up close, yikes. I don't care about the rest of his body, a van makes more sense as an alt-mode for a scientist/engineer than a race car anyway, but this will bother me forever.

All of this of course being a relatively small gripe about a movie I am very much looking forward to.

william-james88 wrote:People talk of Urkel but the glasses look more like Elton John's

They do but the character inspiration is quite clearly Urkel since it's both the glasses and seatbelt suspenders on a "nerdy" character which is probably where their going to take his character, play Wheeljack's engineering talents for a damn joke it's what I expect the character writing to be at this point considering the previous films with shallow personalities on most of the Transformers.

Then again the Wreckers in DOTM didn't really act like Rednecks the way their designs looked but then again they weren't major characters since AOE did treat Hound (A fat Marine/Soldier) and Drift (Samurai) as shallow personalities that conformed with the way they were designed.

smart people, even ones that are my fellow nerds and geeks, do not generally look like the guys from revenge of the nerds. neck beards sure, but not the over the top stereotype nerd. Wheeljack just feels like a flagrant insult rather then a genuine design choice. why does he even need glasses? I mean, I guess that fall in line with the old "how do robots have genders" argument.

anyway, the rest all look good. hopefully his character and story will be good enough to make me ignore what they did to jacky.