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Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Leonardo wrote:Well, for a start, before anyone else says it, there weren't any sparks in G1 itself.
However, going by BW, I always imagined the spark to be an echo of the human soul. I drew parallels between when a TF dies and the spark joins the Matrix, and when a human dies and the soul goes to Heaven (being a Christian or not is irrelevant, it's merely the concept that matters here).
In that respect, the TF's were alive, as their sparks, as Calvatron states, didn't cease to exist. They just became one with the Matrix. Starscream's mutant spark was an anomaly not because it continued to exist, but because it refused to join the Matrix.
If, however, we go by the G1 cartoon, then there could be a difference of opinion. If the Quintessons built the TF's and imbued them with their spark-equivalents (i.e., whatever it was in G1 that gave the TF's their personalities), then it's arguable as to whether they were alive. Imagine if we, as humans, built a robot that was fully sentient, fully self-aware and had intelligence that equalled or surpassed human intelligence, but, at the end of the day, it was still a man-made construction. Would one class such a robot as alive? If so, then the G1 TF's were alive. If not, then they weren't.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Leonardo wrote:Well, for a start, before anyone else says it, there weren't any sparks in G1 itself.
However, going by BW, I always imagined the spark to be an echo of the human soul. I drew parallels between when a TF dies and the spark joins the Matrix, and when a human dies and the soul goes to Heaven (being a Christian or not is irrelevant, it's merely the concept that matters here).
In that respect, the TF's were alive, as their sparks, as Calvatron states, didn't cease to exist. They just became one with the Matrix. Starscream's mutant spark was an anomaly not because it continued to exist, but because it refused to join the Matrix.
If, however, we go by the G1 cartoon, then there could be a difference of opinion. If the Quintessons built the TF's and imbued them with their spark-equivalents (i.e., whatever it was in G1 that gave the TF's their personalities), then it's arguable as to whether they were alive. Imagine if we, as humans, built a robot that was fully sentient, fully self-aware and had intelligence that equalled or surpassed human intelligence, but, at the end of the day, it was still a man-made construction. Would one class such a robot as alive? If so, then the G1 TF's were alive. If not, then they weren't.
I'm not Calvatron, I'm Dead Metal!
Calvatron said his laptop bluw up!
Leonardo wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Leonardo wrote:Well, for a start, before anyone else says it, there weren't any sparks in G1 itself.
However, going by BW, I always imagined the spark to be an echo of the human soul. I drew parallels between when a TF dies and the spark joins the Matrix, and when a human dies and the soul goes to Heaven (being a Christian or not is irrelevant, it's merely the concept that matters here).
In that respect, the TF's were alive, as their sparks, as Calvatron states, didn't cease to exist. They just became one with the Matrix. Starscream's mutant spark was an anomaly not because it continued to exist, but because it refused to join the Matrix.
If, however, we go by the G1 cartoon, then there could be a difference of opinion. If the Quintessons built the TF's and imbued them with their spark-equivalents (i.e., whatever it was in G1 that gave the TF's their personalities), then it's arguable as to whether they were alive. Imagine if we, as humans, built a robot that was fully sentient, fully self-aware and had intelligence that equalled or surpassed human intelligence, but, at the end of the day, it was still a man-made construction. Would one class such a robot as alive? If so, then the G1 TF's were alive. If not, then they weren't.
I'm not Calvatron, I'm Dead Metal!
Calvatron said his laptop bluw up!
O, damn and blast. Sorry, Dead Metal, I really messed up there. I'll change it.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Leonardo wrote:Well, for a start, before anyone else says it, there weren't any sparks in G1 itself.
Stormwolf wrote:Leonardo wrote:Well, for a start, before anyone else says it, there weren't any sparks in G1 itself.
How about life sparks then?
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